Comments on: Another Milestone in the Golden State http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/ Marijuana Policy Project Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:43:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: squid http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13623 squid Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:32:16 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13623 we would like to help and belive that all Californias Medical Marijuana collectives, dispeners should test all Cannabis for pathogeneses and thc and cbd % we do that we would like to help and belive that all Californias Medical Marijuana collectives, dispeners should test all
Cannabis for pathogeneses and thc and cbd %
we do that

]]> By: La Eel http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13495 La Eel Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:12:21 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13495 Sorry buddy, you're still wrong. It's illegal because it's potential uses would undercut dozens of very prominent industries including clothing, timber, energy, and more. The companies that head these industries would not want a cash crop as big as marijuana that can take such a substantial cut out of their business. This would be bad for them, and they pay for the illegality, alongside American tax dollars. Another thing you seem to misunderstand is that Marijuana users don't seek out to be criminals. They don't smoke it because it's illegal. They do it because it makes them feel good, and because it's fun. If you think that legalization wouldn't take a very, very significant amount of the black market's business away, you are incorrect. Nearly every single marijuana smoker would pay the extra money to do it legally. If you don't think this is the case, you obviously don't know many pot smokers. Sorry buddy, you’re still wrong. It’s illegal because it’s potential uses would undercut dozens of very prominent industries including clothing, timber, energy, and more. The companies that head these industries would not want a cash crop as big as marijuana that can take such a substantial cut out of their business. This would be bad for them, and they pay for the illegality, alongside American tax dollars.

Another thing you seem to misunderstand is that Marijuana users don’t seek out to be criminals. They don’t smoke it because it’s illegal. They do it because it makes them feel good, and because it’s fun. If you think that legalization wouldn’t take a very, very significant amount of the black market’s business away, you are incorrect. Nearly every single marijuana smoker would pay the extra money to do it legally. If you don’t think this is the case, you obviously don’t know many pot smokers.

]]> By: Al Lee http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13494 Al Lee Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:56:26 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13494 Again on the child subject. We cannot effectively control the flow of drugs to our children with the current system. AGREED? If you agree, then how are we going to combat this if we can now legally trasnport this drug to within miles, if not feet of our childrens homes? And our childrens parents can keep this drug in their purses and medicine cabinets. Can I make a dollar on this scenario? or is it the "honor system"? Am I enemy or advocate? Again on the child subject. We cannot effectively control the flow of drugs to our children with the current system.

AGREED?

If you agree, then how are we going to combat this if we can now legally trasnport this drug to within miles, if not feet of our childrens homes? And our childrens parents can keep this drug in their purses and medicine cabinets.
Can I make a dollar on this scenario? or is it the “honor system”?

Am I enemy or advocate?

]]> By: Al Lee http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13491 Al Lee Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:20:17 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13491 clothing and watches, as well as other industries are a billion dollar industry as well. search garmet industry yearly sales. Its not apples and oranges. its all apples. People that buy bootlegged or "blackmarket" goods either dont know the difference, or dont care. It will be a real problem if suppliers of Marijuana can go directly to vendors or coffeeshops and offer the products and discounted rates. Since Marijuana doesnt have a UPC code, or serials or a way to track movement through the system, it will be easier to pirate. and thats what it is: pirated marijuana. Also, how has the legalization of Alcohol curbed our youth from consuming it? has it at all? they are certainley getting their hands on it. I did in high school. My point of posting here was to try and bring to light the why, not the "for". To curb piracy of marijuana would require selling it for such a cheap price, that the blackmarket cannot compete. this means the gubberment cannot take the cut they want, and privatized business cant make the returns they expect. In other words. Uncle sam doesnt get a cut!!!! this is why it isnt legal clothing and watches, as well as other industries are a billion dollar industry as well.

search garmet industry yearly sales.

Its not apples and oranges. its all apples. People that buy bootlegged or “blackmarket” goods either dont know the difference, or dont care. It will be a real problem if suppliers of Marijuana can go directly to vendors or coffeeshops and offer the products and discounted rates. Since Marijuana doesnt have a UPC code, or serials or a way to track movement through the system, it will be easier to pirate. and thats what it is: pirated marijuana.
Also, how has the legalization of Alcohol curbed our youth from consuming it? has it at all? they are certainley getting their hands on it. I did in high school.

My point of posting here was to try and bring to light the why, not the “for”. To curb piracy of marijuana would require selling it for such a cheap price, that the blackmarket cannot compete. this means the gubberment cannot take the cut they want, and privatized business cant make the returns they expect.

In other words. Uncle sam doesnt get a cut!!!!

this is why it isnt legal

]]> By: Will http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13472 Will Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:07:48 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13472 @ Al Lee Firstly, the black market for watches and clothing is not worth billions of dollars like the cannabis market is, so comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges. Secondly, a legal regulated market diminishes the black market becasue most people would not want to deal with the black market. This eliminates dealers who are going to go "out of business" when all of their customers decide to buy from a cannabis club. Less dealers = less availability to kids. I am sure the day after the 21st amendment passed there were the same amount of bootleggers selling alcohol but in five years they were all but eliminated because people liked mainstream alcohol, and not blackmarket alcohol. Explain how you think kids will get their hands on marijuana easier if there is a system of regulation and ID checking in place and the black market dealers have given up? Let's find a solution instead of just arguing back and forth. @ Al Lee

Firstly, the black market for watches and clothing is not worth billions of dollars like the cannabis market is, so comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges. Secondly, a legal regulated market diminishes the black market becasue most people would not want to deal with the black market. This eliminates dealers who are going to go “out of business” when all of their customers decide to buy from a cannabis club. Less dealers = less availability to kids. I am sure the day after the 21st amendment passed there were the same amount of bootleggers selling alcohol but in five years they were all but eliminated because people liked mainstream alcohol, and not blackmarket alcohol. Explain how you think kids will get their hands on marijuana easier if there is a system of regulation and ID checking in place and the black market dealers have given up? Let’s find a solution instead of just arguing back and forth.

]]> By: Al Lee http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13461 Al Lee Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:48:52 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13461 Also how are you going to keep it out of the hands of children when its legal, if you cant do it while its illegal? Also how are you going to keep it out of the hands of children when its legal, if you cant do it while its illegal?

]]> By: Al Lee http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13458 Al Lee Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:42:20 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13458 RE: Darthnole Firstly, If I had grown marijuana, quality or not, I wouldnt post it on a public Wordpress page. Secondly, the blackmarket doesnt equal illegal market. There is a blackmarket for cigs, watches, clothing, food and many more items that we consume legally everyday. So I would have to say its you that doesnt understand the "blackmarket system". What about the Movie industry? Piracy is a major blackmarket of a totally legal industry. And its fierce. People die, and there is arrests everyday, worldwide. A quick google search indicates there were 1.9 billion in losses due to piracy in just the movie industry in 2005. If theres a market, theres a black one as well. Once Marijuana is made legal, these drug lords on both sides of the border are going to have work MUCH harder to get even a small slice. This is going to impact "citizens" because citizens are consuming this product legally. Post back after you take your Macro-ec class. RE: Darthnole Firstly, If I had grown marijuana, quality or not, I wouldnt post it on a public WordPress page. Secondly, the blackmarket doesnt equal illegal market. There is a blackmarket for cigs, watches, clothing, food and many more items that we consume legally everyday. So I would have to say its you that doesnt understand the “blackmarket system”. What about the Movie industry? Piracy is a major blackmarket of a totally legal industry. And its fierce. People die, and there is arrests everyday, worldwide. A quick google search indicates there were 1.9 billion in losses due to piracy in just the movie industry in 2005. If theres a market, theres a black one as well.
Once Marijuana is made legal, these drug lords on both sides of the border are going to have work MUCH harder to get even a small slice. This is going to impact “citizens” because citizens are consuming this product legally.
Post back after you take your Macro-ec class.

]]> By: hope http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13445 hope Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:04:15 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13445 we are all adults anyone over the age of 21 should be aloud to drink smoke or smoke mmj that should be our dission not the goverment i still belive in we the people wish there were more so that we could have a say in what want and what we wont this the usa is not we are all adults anyone over the age of 21 should be aloud to drink smoke or smoke mmj that should be our dission not the goverment i still belive in we the people wish there were more so that we could have a say in what want and what we wont this the usa is not

]]> By: Will http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13399 Will Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:33:23 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13399 @Al Lee You have some valid points with regard to the production and sale of marijuana. Cannabis prohibition is often compared with alcohol prohibition when so much has changed since then. The world is not the same. Anybody that wants to grow can go online, buy seeds, buy equipment, and find all the information they need. If everyone who wanted to toke grew their own then yeah government would have a hard time taxing it. But most people I know that smoke would prefer going to a "coffeeshop" where there are different strains to choose from, edibles, people who know the product, etc. So you're going to have maybe 1 out of 10 users growing their own. Government could issue permits for growers (who could sell to dispensaries) and tax retail sales at dispensaries and get their cut of the pie. Do you see any problems with this type of system? With California and Massachusetts thinking about full legalization the system they choose could determine the future of cannabis prohibition. Let's work together and find a solution. @Al Lee
You have some valid points with regard to the production and sale of marijuana. Cannabis prohibition is often compared with alcohol prohibition when so much has changed since then. The world is not the same. Anybody that wants to grow can go online, buy seeds, buy equipment, and find all the information they need. If everyone who wanted to toke grew their own then yeah government would have a hard time taxing it. But most people I know that smoke would prefer going to a “coffeeshop” where there are different strains to choose from, edibles, people who know the product, etc. So you’re going to have maybe 1 out of 10 users growing their own. Government could issue permits for growers (who could sell to dispensaries) and tax retail sales at dispensaries and get their cut of the pie. Do you see any problems with this type of system? With California and Massachusetts thinking about full legalization the system they choose could determine the future of cannabis prohibition. Let’s work together and find a solution.

]]> By: DarthNole http://blog.mpp.org/tax-and-regulate/another-milestone-in-the-golden-state/10292009/comment-page-1/#comment-13398 DarthNole Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:26:59 +0000 http://blog.mpp.org/?p=1694#comment-13398 Al Lee: The blackmarket woulf be worse? YOu have got to be kidding me? You obviously don't understand that the blackmarket is around because of the illegality of cannabis. It is the Prohibition that fuels the underground market. A legal market with regulations would keep marijuana out of the hands of kids, whereas today's system does anything but that. Do you think drug dealers check IDs? Al Lee:

The blackmarket woulf be worse? YOu have got to be kidding me? You obviously don’t understand that the blackmarket is around because of the illegality of cannabis. It is the Prohibition that fuels the underground market. A legal market with regulations would keep marijuana out of the hands of kids, whereas today’s system does anything but that. Do you think drug dealers check IDs?

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